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Hidden Premises on Islam (1): "Wahhabis are Sunnis."

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They are not. And it is fallacious to say they are.

This is the first in a series of pieces I plan to write on the dangers of hidden premises and logical fallacies about Islam.

My education was a mishmash of a lot of things. To this date, my favorite subject remains to be logic. And my favorite logic lesson has been logical fallacies. They are everywhere and they determine a good part of how we reason. They define a good part of who we are.

It is wonderful to listen to a new person and hear their perspective on anything. You may not learn much about the subject matter, and that may be quite beside the point, but almost always you'll learn a lot about the people themselves.

As I listen to Western colleagues and friends making references to Islam, I am frequently amazed that they seem to be entertaining critical fallacies about Islam. I wonder whether Western policy makers share the same. If so, we need to do something about it. Otherwise, OK the sky may not fall, but we may well be further complicating the problem of religious extremism and terrorism that stems from it.

Here are the three fundamental fallacies that I've been able to grasp with some clarity so far.

1. Wahhabis are Sunnis

2. Reform in religion is a sure good thing

3. Emancipation of women will positively transform backward societies.

WAHHABIS ARE SUNNIS

My logic teacher would have probably called this a fallacy of generalization. Of course there are many arguments involved here and some of them may be touching on other fallacies. Fact remains this is a dangerous generalization.

Hidden assumption revealed: I'm assuming that the reader, the vast majority of Western policy makers, and an overwhelming majority of the Muslims worldwide are peaceful, peace-seeking moderates who have a vested interest in curbing and eventually eliminating religious extremism and terrorism for their own good. I'll be the first to admit: I'm after self-interest. I want peace for my own good.

The division between the Sunni and the Shia has political dimensions.

The Wahhabis are not Sunnis. They are a third, independent sect. They are split from both the Sunni and the Shia in fundamental religious ways. Suffice to say the real Wahhabi believes in his heart that many Sunni and Shia Muslims visiting holy places to pay respect to the dead can no longer qualify as Muslims. They become infidels according to the Wahhabi belief. This is a critical point to note and understand. In both Sunni and Shia Islam, people are obliged to make every effort to avoid calling someone a non-believer. It's one of the biggest sins to do so. This is one of the key areas where the Wahhabis split from not only the Shia but also from the Sunni.

This is an irreconcilable difference between Wahhabis and non-Wahhabis. And this difference forms the basis of today's takfiri terrorism. If we do not see the roots of takfiri terrorism in the Wahhabi belief, this will be a futile struggle. True, it is only a violent minority in Wahhabism that want to take their beliefs and put them into action on other Muslims and non-Muslims; however, we better recognize that Osama Bin Laden was produced by this conducive, fertile cultural basis.

So, the next president of the US, do please avoid calling Wahhabis as Sunnis. What you want to do is drive a wedge between the moderates and the extremists. You'll find the most moderate Muslims among the Sunnis. For from Delhi to Sarajevo, from Cairo to Kazan, Sunnis scholars for centuries preached it to be a religious duty to obey the authority even and especially under non-Muslim rule. War is a different thing. But if a country comes under the rule or even the occupation of a non-Muslim ruler, like Iraq today has, it is the religious obligation of the Sunni to obey the laws and instructions of the ruler. You, Mr/Madame next president, really want to tell all those Sunni Muslims that they could presumably not have anything to do with the OBL gang who belong to a freak side show within the magnificent history of Islam. Do please see how dangerous it is to equate extremist Wahhabism with Sunni beliefs. You don't want to push them closer together. You really want to split them.

Even in the case of Wahhabis, we need a full effort to divide the extremists from the moderates. Yes, it's all about Saudi Arabia, a country that is far from being a monolith. In today's Saudi Arabia, what matters is the clan you belong to. It's a gross and potentially vital error to tell Wahhabis that OBL is their product - even if that's true. At worst, we should try to put the blame squarely on one clan or another so that we win the hearts and minds of most of the rest.

So, Wahhabis are not Sunnis. And not all Wahhabis are the same. Even if we are not convinced of the accuracy of this conclusion, we must be wise enough to adopt it for its obvious utility.

In the next piece, I'd like to tackle the issue of reform in religion. There seems to be a common consensus in many Western and Islamic circles that some sort of Protestant-like reform in Islam will be a cure-all. I'd like to argue that let alone curing anything, such an attempt may well give more ammunition into the hands of the extremists while also potentially alienating the moderates.

Next: Hidden Premises on Islam (2): Reform in Religion or the Floodgates of Hell

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{"commentId":1560489,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

Good stuff, Nuri. Valuable information.

I've clipped this to Islam Anti-Defamation League, and sent you an invitation.

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Reply#1 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:33 AM EDT
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Thanks. I'm not getting invites. Will try manually. You see what I mean.

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#1.1 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
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{"commentId":1560662,"authorDomain":"drfade3000"}

An addition about Wahabbi movment

Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab was from Sunnah and he founded Whabbism as a reform movement at 18th century.

The fallacy here is that it was a 'returning reformism' meaning that the movment wanted to return muslems to the early primitive life and strict religious dectorines and to urge them to abandon new cultural and scientific changes. One of their funny statements is that the Earth is flat !

Some Muslims attracted by 'Wahabbi attacks on Ottoman Empire' supported this movement in Saudia and Qatar and Algeria and Somalia.

This obscurantistic movment used the discovery of Persian Gulf Oil fields after 1975 to spend big money to promote its dectorines in moderate countries especially Egypt which was very importnt to them.

They tried to slaugter 'Najib Mahfouz' a Nobel accoladed writer and they assassinated journalists and gov authors and tried to impede Egyptian Cinema industry by paying millions to famous movie stars to let women actresses quit acting and men actors to be 'Wahabbist TV lecturers' !

After 9/11 Wahabbism movement has weakened by reccurent police attacks in most of Arab countries
but it,s still smoulding as a secret movment in Saudian society.

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Reply#2 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:15 AM EDT
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Of course they came from the Sunni tradition Like all men descended from Prophet Adam. But you made a great segue to my next piece which is that reform may take interpretation of Islam to places none of us would ever want. The Sunni tradition has always had a responsible side. Sunni scholars belonged to the imperial and inclusive cultures of great states. That's why they were doubly careful in their interpretation of the basic principles. Latter-day reformists all want to establish their own Islams. And they seldom carry the weight of social responsibility. Allah protect us from where they can take innocent masses.

On a side point, I'm deeply interested in the British influence in institutionalizing Wahhabism. We know Lawrence was there by the side of Faisal from Jeddah to Paris. But Lawrence was just one man. Who were the others? What role did they play in grooming the theocracy of Wahhabism? Were there British ladies like Gertrude Bell who socialized with the sheiks and crystallized their ideology? Not just at the turn of the century but starting well before then. I think it is essential to understand the British role since then to be able to decipher the codes of Wahhabism.

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#2.1 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:16 AM EDT
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We should be aware of the dangerious role of big money in soliciting worldwide supporters for any vague principle or ideology , big money could be a gift used for true reform or a curse used to be dispersed at opportunists who awaringly or nonawaringly would boost terrorism.

True Sunnah has nothing to do with Wahabbi strict dectorines , and the majority of Sunnis don,t support violence or restraining women from education and getting jobs.

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#2.2 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:18 PM EDT
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And using ' Salaf Salih' to view Wahabbi belonging is so much deluding ,
because 'Salaf' means the first honourable muslems who were devoting to the morality of Islam and they worked hard to end slavery and to help poor people.

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#2.3 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:32 PM EDT
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Fada you've touched on the heart of the issue: In the Sunna way, it's all about the proper hierarchy: The Book defers its interpretation to the Prophet pbuh. And the Prophet pbuh defers to the scholars. For centuries, the scholars conveyed the standard operating principles of Islam through the generations. That, in effect, became the way of the salaf al saleheen. Now, OBL and his theoreticians like Zawahiri want to go back to the Book alone and interpret it in the way they want, cutting out centuries of responsible, inclusive science of Islam.

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#2.4 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
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True,Nuri , Zawahri likes are picking particular verses from Qura'an and cut it out of its text and of its reason of reveletion and apply it blindly at irrelevent situation ,
so they can call all moderate muslems and their governments as infidels.

They refer ' I think' to the old extremist books of ebn-tymeiah who called everybody ; infidel,
even the birds on trees 'as some stories told'

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#2.5 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:33 PM EDT
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This is mostly nonsense, written by someone who has no more sense than to call them Wahhabi. They are Salafi, at least be respectful enough to use the name by which they call themselves. Nobody but their enemies call them Wahhabi.

Qatar is run by a "Wahhabi", Sheikh Hamad, a rather enlightened man who educates his women, allows women to vote, runs a free press and allows the US Central Command to operate on his soil.

Salafism is not a sect within Islam, it believes itself a purifying movement within Sunnism. Its followers come from among the four Sunni madhaahib. It categorically rejects Shiism, and is divided on the issue of the madh'hab. But to say they are not Sunni really goes beyond reason. All their scholarship arises from among the Sunni.

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Reply#3 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:13 AM EDT
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For a more nuanced view of the Salafi and the Saudis, Faustian Bargains: Saudis, Wahhabis and the USA is something I wrote a while back.

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#3.1 - Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:23 AM EDT
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Dear Blaise, thanks for your frank comments. The issue is very nuanced and I would hasten to second you in that not all people living in Saudi Arabia subscribe to the violent Wahhabi interpretation. I've Saudi friends, I discuss these issues with them quite frankly. I never heard them rejecting the Wahhabi description. If anything, that name is a source of pride. Wahhabi describes their racial descent. Salafi describes their ideology. They don't much differentiate between the two.

To get a true sense of the irreconcilable fundamental differences between the Wahhabis and the Sunnis, one needs to be a Muslim during the holy pilgrimage. One of the thorniest experiences for both Sunni and the Shia is the trip to Medina. There, they see the graves of the friends of the Prophet completely leveled by Wahhabis. Sunnis and Shias shed tears for what the Wahhabis have done to one of the holiest of Islamic shrines. They beg the Saudi guards to open the gates for a brief visit to say a few prayers. Sometimes the guards grudgingly agree but still bring in on Wahhabi preachers who start shouting shirk, shirk to the crowd. Translated: Don't do this. You'll be equating the dead with the Lord and hence leaving the circle of Islam. As I noted in the original piece, the audacity of Wahhabis feeling the right to declare some Muslims not to be true believers is in the root of today's so-called takfiri terrorism. If they call themselves Salafis, all I can do is bring to everyone's attention that it is only a misnomer.

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#3.2 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:56 AM EDT
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all I can do is bring to everyone's attention that it is only a misnomer.

And I urge you to continue to so do, Nuri. I have never been a Msulim and never will be. But I have always argued that within Islam especially are probably some of the best golden nuggets that mankind needs to unearth. And they have been covered by layers and layers of filth, misnomers and deliberate attempts to skew the truth.

By perpetrators of Islam and its sects, by Islam's chief adversaries at the time and those who came later during the golden age of Islam to pilfer its wealth from the centers of learning (probably the first madrassas) in Baghdad and Teheran.

I believe that because of the time of Islam's arrival on the scene. A few short centuries after Christianity and against the backdrop of a clash of cultuires between Judaism and Christianity. I view all religions and faith systems as a collection of best practices for a given stage in mankind's evolution. Islam being a younger religion has to have some of those best practices that will be far better than its predecessors, including my own faith which was from some 3000 years before.

And I also draw an analogy between all religions and the instance of a life on earth. An older religion equating to a mature person; a younger religion to someone much younger. You have to be able to blend the experience and wisdom from the older guy and the energy, freshness and enthusiasm from the rebel teenager. Those that manage to derive a successful formulae are really the wealthy fountains of knowledge. And they're the ones that I am personally looking for here:-)

So please carry on. Do not get disheartened in your quest:-)

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#3.3 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:14 PM EDT
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Thank you. I also believe that for one of the greatest democracies on earth, India, the difference between the Wahhabi way and the traditional Sunni way is the difference between squalor and splendor. Wahhabis in the true Al Qaeda fashion will surely try to set fire to the Muslim-Hindu peace in India. I hope that such efforts will be smashed by Indian Muslims themselves. As the Arabian peninsula was busy inventing Wahhabism, Indian Muslims kept to their peaceful Sunni faith.

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#3.4 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:02 PM EDT
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A perceptive observation. Moderate Muslims in India are beginning to speak up and be counted. The wahabbi mindset has always remained one of India's strongest threats ever since the Mughals first landed there centuries ago. And continues to this day through the Kashmir issue. That is at the heart of India's stance on that particular issue ever since independence. The vast majority of Muslims in India are Indians first and that is a key aspect of how the politics manifests itself. The sufis, Ahmediyas and Parsees are an important part of the culture of the country. Against that backdrop, the threat of the wahhabi mindset will remain an issue for a very long time. The world should really look to India for some examples of how secularism can exist side by side in a country of 200 million Muslims. But regrettably, it fails to see what most Indians sense is an obvious example. The fact that it doesn't says more about prejudices of the power brokers outside India than it does about India.

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#3.5 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:14 PM EDT
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Nuri: I do hope you had the time to read my article under the link provided. The Salafi and their curious relationship to the Saudi regime must be understood before we stand up to condemn them overmuch. The Saudis have been obliged to lop off many heads to keep the Salafists in line.

As for the complaints about shirk, you know as well as I do what constitutes shirk.

اتَّخَذُواْ أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِّن دُونِ اللّهِ

Mushrikun are a real problem within Islam.

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    #3.6 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1568066,"authorDomain":"monitor"}

    Hi again BlaiseP: You are on to something very critical here.

    The essence of the Sunni belief is this: There is a whole deferral mechanism. Not everything is spelt out in the Book. That's why the Book pointed to the Sunna for the details. And Prophet (p) in his turn declared the scholars to be his true inheritors for explaining his words and ways.

    The Sunni believe in naql, or transference of religious judgement from one generation to the next. Just like there are 200KV power generators and 100K transmission lines and 30K transducers before we get 110V in our domestic power outlets, the Sunni do not attempt to connect directly to the high-voltage primary source, the Book.

    The Sunni believes that tens of religious and worldly sciences need to be studied for many years before one can hope to interpret the book. Of course not all Muslims agree. It is precisely because Muslims diverged on this point that 73 sects were born. The Sunna are one of them. The Salafis or Wahhabis are another sect among the 72 non-Sunni ones. Yes, inspired by the likes of Ibn Taymiyya, they do wish to go directly to the book and come up with contemporary interpretations of the Book. This is a problem Muslims will never resolve.

    My message here is rather to the Western world. Many in the West falsely hope that a new interpretation of Islam may just calm down the flames of fire among the restive youth of the Islamic world. What I'm saying is this is a dangerous non-sequitur. At best, a new interpretation may take us to better realms with 50% chance. Unless of course we had past precedent to change the probability equation. We do have past precedent though. We have the hundreds of years of Sunni states and empires. We have Western scholars who studied them extremely well. And now we have the Salafi re-interpretation of Islam. We have the Ibn Taymiyya way which produced Osama from a Salafi background and Zawahiri from an Azharian Sunni background. And the Zawahiri case is more worrying for me because I find it natural for a Salafi like Bin Laden to degenerate into terrorism. It is much more worrying for someone coming from the Cairo Sunni background not only to follow OBL but also give him his theoretical ammunition. All this is the product of the reform in religion that some in the West might want. That's reform.

    It's up to us to compare this reformed Islam and its implications with the past precedent of Sunni tradition of centuries. To me the comparison is clear.

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    #3.7 - Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:35 AM EDT
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    This is an enlightening read. Thank you. I look forward to the series.

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